Watch above as Jay Z‘ go-to engineer Young Guru talks to producer 9th Wonder about how Kendrick Lamar‘s unremarkable “Control” verse was a great chess move in today’s hip-hop landscape. Guru enthusiastically drops parallels to Kendrick’s verse as he states that Tony Hawk‘s landmark “900” skateboard performance was equivalent to the verse. The duo then go back-and-forth about how K. Dot has it all due to the fact that he can sell records, spit substantial bars, and vary his subjects. This is great for hip-hop. It seems as if people will be debating about the greatness of this verse for the next month, and believe me it’s worth it.